Liberal Democrats just don't get it.

As I watch liberals coming out in support of Obama re-election in 2012, they don't get it. They don't listen or pay any attention. They think that Obama has to win at any cost. That people that supported him in the the 2007 election will have to support him in 2012. They believe that we have no choice but to support him. That a republican win would be so much worse that we will in the end vote for him.

I'm not sure that is so. We haven't seen much even with what has been passed that is much different from what we would have had with the republicans in charge. What the Republicans don't tell you is that the health care bill for the most part is one they designed but then refused to support or vote for.

What I feel is that many progressives and independents realize that we are going to have to allow it to get worse under the Republicans before anyone really listens to us and actually does what we have hoped for.

But no matter what, when Obama loses, the left will blame everyone but themselves, which if they had listened they wouldn't be in the mess in 2012. I don't believe Obama can win, with the economy and jobs going like it is, and I don't see those area's changing much in the next 2 years. Almost anyone would have the same chance of becoming president as Obama has to get re-elected. Republican challenger has a little better chance of winning just because of what is going on in the media today.

I had hoped to see someone come out strong against Obama in the primary/caucus season, and take it away from him. But I have my doubts that will happen, as the base of the democratic party will stand with Obama no matter what others say to them. If Obama's numbers start dropping over the next few months, as I expect them to do because of the problems we have do to the republicans, that he will get the blame for, we still have a chance to see someone else come in and run.

But even if Obama runs, I hope people that have decided to not vote, will go vote instead of staying home, but voting third party in protest.

I don't believe it really matters who is president, as the people running are part of the problem and don't have the public at heart in why they run. They are part of the big money political machines that will do what is best for those at the top no matter which side it is.

So if you are a disenchanted republican or democrat, vote a third party whither it is for a conservative third party or a liberal third party.

But go vote. Don't stay home.

Just my rambling, thoughts.