As I watch liberals coming out in support of Obama re-election in 2012, they don't get it. They don't listen or pay any attention. They think that Obama has to win at any cost. That people that supported him in the the 2007 election will have to support him in 2012. They believe that we have no choice but to support him. That a republican win would be so much worse that we will in the end vote for him.
I'm not sure that is so. We haven't seen much even with what has been passed that is much different from what we would have had with the republicans in charge. What the Republicans don't tell you is that the health care bill for the most part is one they designed but then refused to support or vote for.
What I feel is that many progressives and independents realize that we are going to have to allow it to get worse under the Republicans before anyone really listens to us and actually does what we have hoped for.
But no matter what, when Obama loses, the left will blame everyone but themselves, which if they had listened they wouldn't be in the mess in 2012. I don't believe Obama can win, with the economy and jobs going like it is, and I don't see those area's changing much in the next 2 years. Almost anyone would have the same chance of becoming president as Obama has to get re-elected. Republican challenger has a little better chance of winning just because of what is going on in the media today.
I had hoped to see someone come out strong against Obama in the primary/caucus season, and take it away from him. But I have my doubts that will happen, as the base of the democratic party will stand with Obama no matter what others say to them. If Obama's numbers start dropping over the next few months, as I expect them to do because of the problems we have do to the republicans, that he will get the blame for, we still have a chance to see someone else come in and run.
But even if Obama runs, I hope people that have decided to not vote, will go vote instead of staying home, but voting third party in protest.
I don't believe it really matters who is president, as the people running are part of the problem and don't have the public at heart in why they run. They are part of the big money political machines that will do what is best for those at the top no matter which side it is.
So if you are a disenchanted republican or democrat, vote a third party whither it is for a conservative third party or a liberal third party.
But go vote. Don't stay home.
Just my rambling, thoughts.
Friday, January 21, 2011
Sunday, January 16, 2011
Where does it leave Obama for 2012?
I have been watching my Facebook friends many of them are part of the Liberal Base of the Democratic Party. They still love Obama and see no way that he will not run for a second term. They see no way of him losing the election for a second term.
But are they looking at the hole picture? Where do the progressives stand in the 2012 election? Do they continue to support Obama even though he doesn't seem to support them in progressive issues?
Where does Obama stand with moderates in his party? How about his grassroots that helped make him president? What about independents?
Polls say he can win right now, his polls numbers are up. His polls have went up after the Arizona shooting and his speech at the memorial. But will that carry over to the actual polls in November 2012?
My prediction is no. As the economy continues to get worse over the next year (my prediction) and the real unemployment factor continues to grow, no amount of News Networks attempting to say it is getting better will help convince those who continue losing their homes or are not able to find work will out way the propaganda given out by the rich from either. The latest News that Green Energy company moving to China, and even more job loses in the US figure into this trend.
Along with the fact that many think the general public are stupid and don't pay any attention, that most of those bills Obama and many Democrats tout that are great achievements of his administration are not at all what they should be! They don't do much of what they were suppose too. Because they were blocked by Republicans and had to be slimmed down to get the few moderate republicans support to get them through congress without having the Republicans filibustering them. So they are not the achievements they would have us believe.
But over the last year, Obama has been alienating his progressive support, and many of them are calling on supporters to not support him for his re-election bid. I for one agree with this. Obama has lost a large portion of his grassroots support that got him elected as well as much of his independent support that he had. Can he regain that base?
I don't think so, I believe many of those that were added to the registration lists, that had never voted before will again return to the group of stay homes that don't vote because of a basic mistrust of politicians in general. Obama once gave them hope when he said he would rather be a one term great president than a two term president. But his compromises killed that idea in the general public’s opinion. The sad part is if he had held to that, it would of gotten him to a second term. People want to see real change not more of the same, which is what Obama has given us. He has lost his mantel of “Change” that he ran on.
The other aspect is, that his supporters are hoping for, is that those in the middle that are upset with Obama, will see the Republicans more scary then the idea of Obama's second term! And it is true that an Obama second term is not at all scary, and those coming out in politics on the Republican/Tea Party side are truly scary. But people have become so disillusioned with politics and politicians that they have lost interest, and really don't care.
I as a moderate Democrat, I will not support Obama in his bid for re-election for president, and hope that others that have decide it doesn't matter one way or the other, to again care about their vote. So if you don't think it matters, I challenge you to go vote anyway, but to vote third party in protest. If you think staying home doesn't matter go vote third party and at least your vote will count for something and you will have at least taken part in our form of government. It will speak/say more than not voting at all.
Just one mans thoughts on the 2012 election.
But are they looking at the hole picture? Where do the progressives stand in the 2012 election? Do they continue to support Obama even though he doesn't seem to support them in progressive issues?
Where does Obama stand with moderates in his party? How about his grassroots that helped make him president? What about independents?
Polls say he can win right now, his polls numbers are up. His polls have went up after the Arizona shooting and his speech at the memorial. But will that carry over to the actual polls in November 2012?
My prediction is no. As the economy continues to get worse over the next year (my prediction) and the real unemployment factor continues to grow, no amount of News Networks attempting to say it is getting better will help convince those who continue losing their homes or are not able to find work will out way the propaganda given out by the rich from either. The latest News that Green Energy company moving to China, and even more job loses in the US figure into this trend.
Along with the fact that many think the general public are stupid and don't pay any attention, that most of those bills Obama and many Democrats tout that are great achievements of his administration are not at all what they should be! They don't do much of what they were suppose too. Because they were blocked by Republicans and had to be slimmed down to get the few moderate republicans support to get them through congress without having the Republicans filibustering them. So they are not the achievements they would have us believe.
But over the last year, Obama has been alienating his progressive support, and many of them are calling on supporters to not support him for his re-election bid. I for one agree with this. Obama has lost a large portion of his grassroots support that got him elected as well as much of his independent support that he had. Can he regain that base?
I don't think so, I believe many of those that were added to the registration lists, that had never voted before will again return to the group of stay homes that don't vote because of a basic mistrust of politicians in general. Obama once gave them hope when he said he would rather be a one term great president than a two term president. But his compromises killed that idea in the general public’s opinion. The sad part is if he had held to that, it would of gotten him to a second term. People want to see real change not more of the same, which is what Obama has given us. He has lost his mantel of “Change” that he ran on.
The other aspect is, that his supporters are hoping for, is that those in the middle that are upset with Obama, will see the Republicans more scary then the idea of Obama's second term! And it is true that an Obama second term is not at all scary, and those coming out in politics on the Republican/Tea Party side are truly scary. But people have become so disillusioned with politics and politicians that they have lost interest, and really don't care.
I as a moderate Democrat, I will not support Obama in his bid for re-election for president, and hope that others that have decide it doesn't matter one way or the other, to again care about their vote. So if you don't think it matters, I challenge you to go vote anyway, but to vote third party in protest. If you think staying home doesn't matter go vote third party and at least your vote will count for something and you will have at least taken part in our form of government. It will speak/say more than not voting at all.
Just one mans thoughts on the 2012 election.
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